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Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 06:29 AM:

Party Poker

Is party poker corrupt?

I heard it was but laughed off the rumours.

But losing out to fuckin ridiculous fuckin things (dunno the correct word)

e.g. i've got 2 jacks other guy (pc) has 2 jacks he gets flush

i've got 2 aces he (pc) has 2 6's (all in) and gets 6 on river.

etc
etc


etc

a quick look on google suggests they are corrupt fuckers


thoughts?


Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 06:37 AM:

They were probably bad beats or whatever you call them but can these poker rooms be open to coruption?


Posted by baha on 11-16-2008 07:07 AM:

Every single one is crooked.

You only get straight cards in big money events, no matter what the site.

Guaranteed on Pokerstars that if you're chip lead in a sit and go you can go all in on a 2-7o and you'll get a full house. I've made use of the knowledge a few times.

But on the sunday million, PS's big weekly event, you get straight cards, it can go 4 or 5 hands with high card winning and 20 hands with nothing better than a pair or 2 pair winning the hand. Play a small money event and guaranteed there'll be 4 pocket pairs and a straight on the flop beaten by a flush on the river every other hand

And I don't know that any regulatory body exists. There is a fairly recent case of a site owner who was playing and cheating on his own site!!! (Mate at work has the details, I'll post on Monday, but you can probably google it.)

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Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 03:20 PM:

Dirty cheating bastards.

I'm going to have to stop playing sit and goes and do a bit more research on google.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 06:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by baha
Every single one is crooked.

And I don't know that any regulatory body exists. There is a fairly recent case of a site owner who was playing and cheating on his own site!!! (Mate at work has the details, I'll post on Monday, but you can probably google it.)



Ultimate bet was the name of the site. Not trying to call you out or anything but I just can't understand how you would know that "every single one is crooked." I play on Full Tilt and I see absolutely no difference whatsoever between the beats on that site and live casino games. Usually the people that complain about internet poker being rigged are losing players.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 06:27 PM:

Re: Party Poker

quote:
Originally posted by takwhori
Is party poker corrupt?

I heard it was but laughed off the rumours.

But losing out to fuckin ridiculous fuckin things (dunno the correct word)

e.g. i've got 2 jacks other guy (pc) has 2 jacks he gets flush

i've got 2 aces he (pc) has 2 6's (all in) and gets 6 on river.

thoughts?



There is nothing strange about these bad beats. I've suffered worse in live play. Pocket aces aren't magic cards, you know. I have seen lower pairs crack aces plenty of times. They are about 77% favourite heads up depending on the hand they are against. 77% != 100%


Posted by baha on 11-16-2008 06:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Ultimate bet was the name of the site. Not trying to call you out or anything but I just can't understand how you would know that "every single one is crooked."

Fair enough. Every single one I've played is...pokerstars, partypoker, betfair poker, pokerroom, pacific poker, a couple of others as well

I'm no poker guru, but you get a fair idea of when cards are running for you and against you. I'm a complete wanker when I have someone dominated on chips and I'll call on some absolute shit...and I know in a straight game that 90% of the hands I stay in on and end up donking a win on would never come in...but chip lead on any of the above sites will see you take out anyone with a stack less than 4x or 5x the bb about 90% of the time.

Never played full tilt, I'll take your word for it that the Hendon mob run a straight game.

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Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-16-2008 07:02 PM:

I have been on the ipoker network before and I feel that Full Tilt is much better at simulating live play. The software is nice and there is a great bonus. If you ever join up, pm me. Maybe we could organise a vcdquality tourney.


Posted by takwhori on 11-16-2008 07:54 PM:

Re: Re: Party Poker

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
There is nothing strange about these bad beats. I've suffered worse in live play. Pocket aces aren't magic cards, you know. I have seen lower pairs crack aces plenty of times. They are about 77% favourite heads up depending on the hand they are against. 77% != 100%


I know they aren't magic cards. I was ranting cause i lost.
(bad loser)


Posted by Vampire on 11-16-2008 08:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
Maybe we could organise a vcdquality tourney.

Already been done on Full Tilt but I reckon it's about time we did another one.

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Posted by David Cameron on 11-16-2008 09:20 PM:

Who won the last one?


... Must have been me


Posted by takwhori on 11-17-2008 05:20 AM:

I started playing FTP tonight and on my 3rd game won out of 18 players.
Ok i only won $36 because i'm playing low limit till i get better.

2 things.

On party poker you can just click the end of slider bar to go up in increments and on FTP it makes you go all in.
There doesn't seem to be a way other than grabbing the bar and sliding it for it to go up in increments.

also when i finish a tournament in party poker i can get hand history emailed to me but it doesn't seem as if this happens on FTP.

BTW i use texas calulatem for odds. it helps but you've also got to bluff and get lucky.

do any of you cunts use poker tools?


Posted by baha on 11-17-2008 10:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by takwhori
BTW i use texas calulatem for odds. it helps but you've also got to bluff and get lucky.

do any of you cunts use poker tools?


Used to use calculatem a few years ago, but then it stopped working on pstars. Eventually I stopped using it cos I stuck to pstars more than any other site and I found calculatem was taking over my natural game. I don't know if it's got any cleverer, but it always used to stop me playing position and assessing the strength of stacks. [I don't mean literally 'stopped', just put me off.]

Played the sunday million ($1.5m) and the 500 ($500k) on ps yesterday. Cost me about $150 to qualify for them, walked away with about $450 in place money. Never managed to build a decent stack in either game

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Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-17-2008 10:32 AM:

On the main page, Options- Bet Slider options.

Options- Hand History.

Get some poker books before you pay for any tools. Harrington's books on Tourney and cash games are the best around.

I use Poker tracker and Poker Stove. Also check out Chris Ferguson's article on bankroll management. Follow his advice closely or if you find it a little on the conservative side, there are plenty of other articles on the net.


Posted by yoshy on 11-17-2008 11:09 AM:

I am a member of an online team.

Maybe we could organise something

I tried those gimmicks but It only guides you, you have to incorporate thinking into the equation.

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Posted by takwhori on 11-17-2008 12:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fionn McCool
On the main page, Options- Bet Slider options.

Options- Hand History.

Get some poker books before you pay for any tools. Harrington's books on Tourney and cash games are the best around.

I use Poker tracker and Poker Stove. Also check out Chris Ferguson's article on bankroll management. Follow his advice closely or if you find it a little on the conservative side, there are plenty of other articles on the net.



I've read a couple of poker books but need to read more.

I didn't pay for Calculatem, I got it free when I signed up for Party poker and used promotion code, also I used code for free Poker Office when I signed up to Full Tilt. (I just need to get 100 FTP points.)


Posted by Ekno on 11-17-2008 03:11 PM:

Everybody knows that they are corrupted, the house always wins and they have their ways. If you are good at math then you know that computers can't do random. It's all arranged.


Posted by takwhori on 11-23-2008 02:50 PM:

Played 4 tournaments today.

Played a hi lo by accident and typed I didn't have a clue what i was doing (they probably thought i was kidding on) but i was winning (i didn't have a clue, fuckin hi and fuckin low, what's all that about?) some guy said he was recording it cause a guy folded to me on river when he had about 80 chips left. that sad bastard should really get out more.

played a rebuy by accident too and couldn't be arsed with it, it seems to be more like poker on xbox 360, every cunt going all in all the time.

played another 2

out of 4 i got put out 3 times when i went all in and was winning until that slimy fucked up shitty river.

cunts


Posted by David Cameron on 11-23-2008 05:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ekno
Everybody knows that they are corrupted, the house always wins and they have their ways. If you are good at math then you know that computers can't do random. It's all arranged.


If you tried experience instead of blind guessing you would know that you don't actually play against the house in poker. House takes their cut before game starts.

Know whereof you speak.


Posted by Fionn McCool on 11-23-2008 11:11 PM:

Yup, and in cash games (which I mostly play) they make their money from the rake. The the random number generator that full tilt uses is independently accredited and is about as close to random as a computer can get at the moment. I consistently make a modest profit playing ring cash games. I'm also studying Math and Physics at Uni so yes, Ekno, I know a little, ty.


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