Mongoloid
Oct 2004
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Originally posted by iljs
maVen rip to 700+ because their source is 700+. They're raw vid source is 720 wide, and they dont feel like sacrificing downsizing the video.
Well.. thats a non-remark ofcoz  I can see your point, but you saying encoding to a lower res would be bad, because the source is at a higher resolution doesnt make sense. That's like saying that any NTSC or PAL DVDRip encoded to 1024 960 would be even better than the source coz it would be at a higher res.
IMO downsizing to an acceptable value within the tdxrules is a perfectly fine thing to do - in fact thats pretty much the only rule in there which isnt outdated and even makes sense. But thats another discussion and I'm not even here to chop your balls off because of this Let's continue...
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Tons of groups all over the scene dont ahere to many stupid rules of the scene. XviD resolution size is one of them, though not many groups break it. Almost every group breaks tagging rules for each section, a lot of groups break DVDR rules all the time if they dont agree to them. Seeing as maVen didnt sign the tdx2005, i personally dont see why they have to adhere to them, if they have a different opinion on what the standard should be. Groups who decide that they need to pre over them, with a worse source for a few errors that dont adhere to certain really unimportant rules (res size) are the real problem here.
Couldnt agree more and I would even like to add something.
The TDX rules don't even cover TS -nor TC- as source for a xvid-rip. TDX rules always focused on the dvdrips.. wether retail or screener. So nuking it for non-scene-rule-compliant can only mean two things:
a) The nuker is a sheep. Approx. 96% of the non-valid nukes are done by these nukers - it's like nagging long enough at siteops that u would be one hell of a nuker, and the moment they actually give u a chance, being scared shitless, because you suddenly realise you don't know jack shit of what would be an actual nuke - or worse - you don't even think actually downloading and testing is really necessary to be a nuker.
These people tend to flock in so called "nuke"-nets or "nuke"-channels on irc which are pretty much open to everybody, and managed from the beginning that they started to pop up, to be even lamer than a nazi-esk run crappy tv-show fserve channel. Just my 2cts ofcoz
b) The nuker has been too long in the scene. Redefined being pissed alot and sinicism for himself by now, and turned into a lazy rule-nazi, who basically goes by a gutfeeling to nuke a release of which he thinks it might be nukeworthy. He doesn't actually check the "rules", because he knows those are basically bullshit and can vary heavily on even which group released the stuff, which really pisses him off, because in the old days.... !!!! (You know the drill when you meet one of these nukers :P)
Positive: these nukers almost always actually download the release and test these. These nukers are actually 99% of all the time right in nuking a release - they actually know what they are doing.
On the downside.. gutfeeling CAN be wrong from time to time, but don't even DARE to discuss such a nuke with these people because it's time wellspent on fun things (and boy.. these discussion can take a looooooooong time), and the outcome will always be that the unjust nuke will still be a nuke.. even if it's just to piss the person off nagging against the mighty nuker - most of the time they will still think they are right tho and won't unnuke it.. EVER... worst case scenario is getting a +6 flag for whining
Basically (and following opinion is my own ofcourse) I applaud the fact that decent TS's and TC's are encoded to xvid these days. Thats even the biggest and most sensible development we can see since last let's say 1.5 years. XViD as a codec makes sense size-wise for the release, and by now pretty much every diehard-moviefan should be able to also play movies in this format from a rewriteable dvd+-r on their standalones, since the market is flooded with cheap, even decent, standalone dvdplayers which support these new standards (some better than others, but c'mon, these puppies go for as low as 35 euros these days).
This welcome development for cams, telesyncs, telecines, screeners, dvdscreeners, retails, which has been happening more and more over the past several months, ofcourse also means that vcd and svcd are basically dead as formats to release stuff in, and I would even state that these are solely still done to be able to creditwhore, OR to prevent others from reencoding and stealing the source. Groups releasing vcd or svcd for the latter reason should phase this paranoia out, because if stated that there wont be any other release than the xvid one, it should be clear to all that groups that still reencode something that isnt their work, dont deserve the light of day and shouldnt even be able to land a site as affiliate. Lameness will precede their releases - everybody will know - and if treated correctly by the complete scene, they'll know they are the laughing stock of this very same scene
Getting back to the fact that the tdxrules don't even cover releases of this kind. Altho this basically means that groups who deliver quality and aren't afraid to develop themselves and their releases to be the next -non-forced, yet sensible- standard in the scene, ARE allowed to experiment around towards a point they feel comfortable with the quality of their releases encodingwise, they sure as hell won't get any weird ideas and introduce stuff in their encodes, of which they know that it will make their release impossible to watch on alot of standalones etc.
Rest assured that these groups really WANT to deliver the best they can, and take pride in the fact that they've done EVERYTHING in their power, to make their release as enjoyable as possible for everyone. So you won't suddenly see a huge grow in encodes which have QPel.. or GMC.. or packed bitstreams.. because these groups, altho they have all the freedom to experiment around, still follow the biggest rule of em all : common sense!!
Conclusion: propers like these of which the actual proper-reasons are based on false assumptions AND where it's clear that even the group that propers the release KNOWS and SEE with their own eyes that their release doesnt have any added value at all to the scene, nor fixes anything in the release they proper, should be treated as what they are : an unnecesary dupe, which should have been pred as internal if at all been pred. If you lose a release, be a "man" about it, take the lost time in your effort, and think of it as a great training for your next release, and be proud of your product the moment you win that one.
This is nothing more than creditwhoring, where the releasing group tries to ease their own minds for doing it, by means of lying to even themselves.
Last words: I respect the effort made by everyone - dont get me wrong there - I just respect groups making right sensible deciscions, and who take pride in what they do, more...
By the way: I (ofcourse) typed all of this not even caring who did the initial release.. it's maVen now, but as far as I'm concerned it could have been any group. I was just giving my own opinion, because I thought it might add something for some people to the discussion. Wether they agree or not ofcourse. Thats the fun of having a discussion in the first place innit ?
Last edited by Mongoloid on 06-15-2006 at 06:27 AM
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