you ever thought of doing some research on it. apex for one plays both and as the pot nfo said the cheaper your player the better it is

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Can someone post the sub list please ?

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Hi gang. Just a few quick points regarding PAL & NTSC. Both have their flaws. NTSC came first and has some issues regarding color hence tv technicians like to refer to it as "Never The Same Color". PAL fixed the color issues and has a noticibly higher resolution but a lower frame rate.
However, while a higher frame rate for NTSC is good for pure television content, it loses out to PAL for films. Film is 24 frames per second. NTSC is 30 (fractionally under in fact but never mind that...) frames per second. To turn 24 frames into 30 frames they have to use a telecine process that extrapolates 6 *fake* frames from the 24 *real* frames that make up each second of footage. It's actually quite a nasty kludge and can lead to noticable jerkyness in panning shots, although Americans are probably so used to this they wouldn't see it!
PAL on the other hand just needs to turn 24 frames per second into 25 frames per second. Easily done by slightly speeding up the movie by about 4%. Pitch correction is usually done on the audio as that also has to be speeded up slightly.
So as you can see there are issues with bringing a movie to either format.

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On look another PAL/NTSC fight.

What people in Europe need to realise is, in the US very few DVD players play both, and as far as i know, no TV's can play PAL at all.

UK/Europe is different, most DVD players can convert PAL to NTSC and NTSC to PAL, and all new TV's can play back the raw signal.

A NTSC release is still needed as a PAL one being converted to NTSC by a cheap tacky player wont look as good as a proper NTSC encode as most Hardware convertions are crap.

Also cheap players might play everything, but the pic quality also is shit on a half decent sized TV.

Anyways release wise, pretty nice quality though not stunning.
Good sound too, even though its only 384k Bitrate.

Looks like a R2 Rental release to me and WB always uses low bitrate audio and quickly done menu's on them, but good enough for now.

Only prob is, why leave the trailer in, but cut the sound, and why is the trailer on the same vobs as the movie.

9/8/9

edit: also the German Menu's are still on here, an annoying but quite funny anti-download video and a trippy German thing with kids singing outside a jail, not sure if its another Piracy thing, anyways these should of all been ripped out beforehand, for 3-400mb extra on movie video.

And the source looks like a German Rental DVD

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Very nice release. I could care less if its PAL or NTSC. Either or is just as good.

V: 10
A: 10
M: 10

1 of the BEST movies to come out in awhile.

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This was a great flick. I do not understand or have the complete knowledge of Pal Vs NTSC. Being in Canada, my 5 Disc Sony dvd player might or might not be able to play PAL. I have never tried, I just use ifoedit and the hack. Every PAL I have tried to play works great. NERO, always gives me an error when burning, but I allow it to continue, and it works great. I have never noticed a reduced picture or sound quality.

As for the movie itself. It was great. This release is wonderful. I have been waiting for a dvd retail for ages now. I will be buying this movie when it comes out.

This movie saved the franchise without a question of a doubt. Finally, Batman returns to his roots. Great job to the group that released this flick, and my appreciation.

9/9/9

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well everyone is complaining about my dvd wont play pal movie i spent all this money, i shearched blah blah blah go buy a cyberhome dvd player it plays pal and ntsc dvd svcd vcd ect and it cost me $30 bucks brand new and if you go to vcdhlep.com i believe that have patches to help most players play them or making them reigon free.

as for the movie i loved it and keep up the great work scream

a.10
v.9
m.10

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nice my dvd player plays PAL its called the Philips DVP642 you should invest in 1 aint expensive less yer a bum

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I can't beleive people are still debating PAL/NTSC. I am one of the many that have always had players that play both. BTW, Don't bother with Sony players(if your in NTSC regions), they will not play PAL. Don't know if their PAL market players will play NTSC. Just get a Pioneer, any Pioneer. I have a DV-563A, and it plays everything without a glitch. By far one of the best players for the buck.
Anyways, great release. Played just fine on my NTSC market Pioneer.
9/9/10

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Originally posted by GGODD2
well everyone is complaining about my dvd wont play pal movie i spent all this money, i shearched blah blah blah go buy a cyberhome dvd player it plays pal and ntsc dvd svcd vcd ect and it cost me $30 bucks brand new and if you go to vcdhlep.com i believe that have patches to help most players play them or making them reigon free.

as for the movie i loved it and keep up the great work scream

a.10
v.9
m.10

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LOL I also got the cyberhome but for $20 at BESTBUY it plays anything and its perfect travel size

for the movie ... well I was one of many who got the pot cam and liked it but then i found out it had missing footage. Love the release. My patience paid off

V: 9.5
A: 10 ( 5.1 BABY WORKS WELL IN CHASE SCENES )
M: 10 (PROB MY FAV OF ALL BATMAN MOVIES)

Great release by SCREAM

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flashy:

SubPicture:
0. English (0xBD 0x20)
1. Arabic (0xBD 0x21)
2. Deutsch (0xBD 0x22)
3. Hebrew (0xBD 0x23)
4. Islenska (0xBD 0x24)
5. English (0xBD 0x25)
6. Deutsch (0xBD 0x26)
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You can change PAL to NTSC with Ifoedit.............

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Two things that Scream screwed up


1. Anti Piracy Warning, but hey suppose they wanted to keep menus and keep the RETAIL, but still why bother thats atleast 30seconds of video and sound that could have been cut

2. Theatrical Trailer, dunno how many have noticed, but

Scream if you want to leave in a trailer, you might want to leave in the sound for it! They have stripped 2 channel audio, but left in a trailer which only has 2 channel audio, which makes the trailer totally useless and again more space being taken up

Props for the early release and the film is encoded fine with amazing 5.1 on the thing, so they have obviously done well on this, but still leaving in a trailer when you have stripped the sound is just plain silly!

9/9/10,

but can't help thinking they could have made a better encode if they had cut out all the extra stuff!

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Also cheap players might play everything, but the pic quality also is shit on a half decent sized TV.

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HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH. No. The philips DVP 642 which is around $50-$60 USD (I consider that cheap for a good dvd player) plays everything. Including xvid, divx, subs, svcd, dvdr, PAL, NTSC, etc etc etc. They even have firmware updates since they add new features to it.

It has svideo out, and component out, and digital audio out (optical and spdif).

Not exactly a low quality player. And it doesn't look like crap on a big screen.

Read reviews, there's almost no bad points about it other than it doesn't support some of the more archaic xvid/divx formats.

Of course if you are into HD movies, you will think anything that plays normal DVDs is crap resolution anyway

::EDIT:: This isn't a DVD player review thread you cocksuckers! - NS::

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Its just typical American to complain about the NTSC/PAL thing. Scream released a PAL version. It was their choice, and there will proberly come a NTSC soon!

10/10/?

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10
10
10
Best release this year.


ps, mine plays both.

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lol my xbox and cheap dvdplayer plays PAL npz .. but anyways this movie and the rip kicked ass from beginning to end!! second best batman next to the first one imo * jack nicholson as the joker was classic * with that being said batman begins saved the franchise from going under apart from katie holmes who just sucked in it lol .. 10/9/10 good lookin out SCREAM

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Excellent picture and sound quaklity, shame about the movie.

10/9/1

*Would have given 10 for sound if the original DVD had been DTS

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10/10/10

Justice done at last on the big screen.

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first class release here and a good movie to. Download this one.Its the bee knees.

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