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The film will be in theaters in Madison, WI, Nov. 19-26

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im considering it too but this is a bit of a turn off

Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 34 minutes Total Est. Distance: 154.08 miles

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Well the verdict is in. Sven amazing job!

9/10

Brilliant idea, great acting by all cast members, you can really feel the relationships everyone shares with each other. Not to mention hilarious! This DVD will most definetely be getting my purchase. I'm hoping this eventually goes wide, so the whole world can view it. If not it's a crying shame, but atleast I got to!

I can now not wait for this suspense picture your gonna start working on. Hoorah! Thank you for making LA Twister.

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I just started playing with an IRC software myself and I'm trying to figure out how I can download L.A. TWISTER.

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Wow, here about a week and he’s already a pirate

Just curious, how did you feel when you first discovered your movie was pirated?

As for the piracy issue (please note, and this is important, that when we speak of piracy we do not mean downloading and selling them to make a profit like “trunk monkeys” do. but rather it’s more of previewing a movie so to speak) , I’ll be honest, in the short run I believe it hurts the motion picture industry, how ever the damage is minimal. But I place most of the blame on Hollywood itself. They put out pure and utter shit in an effort to earn money and charge $12 to watch it. The MPAA seems to be mad that someone didn’t pay 12 bucks to call a movie crap. Piracy is a kind of way to try before you buy. It’s simple, if a movie is shit I’m not paying for it. If I like it I‘ll fork over $12.00 to watch it in the theater, $20 for a DVD or both. I think most people here are like that. In some ways piracy can also be beneficial, as with limited releases as mystic stated. I’ve watched movies that I may not have just for the fact that I could download it. Some I liked and later bought others I just deleted and never spoke of again. Piracy is the new Sundance. It can be a way for people who have made movies, to get an unlimited showing, who otherwise wouldn’t have a chance to. While no movie has became vastly popular directly from the act of piracy, I believe that indirectly piracy has help to promote certain movies. And with more and more people discovering that they can download movies be it threw IRC, peer to peer, newsgroups or what ever. The time when a motion picture becomes popular as a direct result of piracy won’t be to far off. I guess piracy is still a gray area, it depends on which side of the celluloid your on…


Loved your movie by the way…

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Now back to the "Piracy" issue:

Since this has become such an interesting thread, here is an idea: I will publish this discussion with all its replies in the special feature section of the L.A. TWISTER DVD.

So however you feel about pirating movies, whatever you think about L.A. TWISTER (feel free to slam it!). Write it here and it will be on the DVD.

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If one day you find yourself at one of those showbiz parties standing in the corner wondering to yourself exactly why you came and notice out of the corner of your eye 'director' (i use the term loosley) Paul W.S. Anderson walking past, could you please just go up to him and PUNCH HIM AS HARD AS YOU FUCKING CAN IN THE FACE!! and as he falls to the floor shout THAT IS FOR EVERY PERSON WHO HAD TO SIT AND WATCH YOU TURN EVERY FRANCHISE YOU TOUCH INTO A STEAMING PILE OF SHITE!

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I half agree with 404. One on hand the VCDq community in paticular is very adamant about two things: Never sell pirated software, and if you like it you should support it. However, I honestly believe that in the wide spectrum of piracy the vast majority are simply shoplifting with the intend to avoid paying period.

In a retail state of mind a movie makes it's profit in video sales, not in box office. The box office is sorta like a big ass promo that helps the production company recup it's expenses. Once the movie reaches DVD the actual profits begin to appear, if they appear at all. So when you come to a movie like L.A Twister that has very limited showings it's actually very beneficial for the movie to be pirated, since most people will not have access to a theatre viewing of the film in the first place. If they see and love them film, some may buy the DVD. If the film was not pirated, no one would have seen it, and no dvds would be purchased. As my mother always told me, some is better than none.

Now on the flipside when you come to blockbuster 100 million dollar productions, you're looking at massive investments with the expectancy of big box office weekends. If a blockbuster is a flop, the production companies won't make their money back for years at the very best. A good example would be that Predator just broke even as of 2003. It almost took 2 decades for a cult classic and incredibly well known film to turn any profit at all. Imagine what happens with some movies that just turn out absolutely dismal (The Alamo or Gigli).

So as it stands blockbuster films NEED the theatre sales, while independent films NEED the video sales and hope for the theatre showings to give the film sufficient buzz to create critical and financial benefits.

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Amazing. I guess all directors don't have sticks up their asses huh? Way to go Sven .. this was an excellent movie. If i get enough time off of school, i sure as well will make the long drive up to Wisconsin. If it wasn't for this thread, i would have never even heard of this movie .. and been able to see it. Keep up the good work and directing. Can't wait to buy this on dvd and for your next film

Movie: 10/10 - Favorite of the year!!! (yes - i gladly rated it on iMDB & recommended it to many friends as well)

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This was defenitley one of the best movies I've seen this year, one of the few that I will actually buy . I'd go see it in theaters but its just too far :\ . AWESOME job on the movie Sven, hope to see more from you . I'm giving it a 10 out of 10!

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Movie/music companies (monopoly is illegal, so the RIAA/MPAA arent companies, right.. not like they would rig prices on CDs, or movies) have a control of what's being played on the medias. Radio, TV, you name it.

You will also see that they say "IT HURTS THE INDUSTRY". While it is true, they might not be able to suck up every cent they used to get before the net became popular, they are not losing money. It's easy to say that IF a movie they made was crapy, and that lot's of people downloaded it and never bought it, it hurt them. But maybe making a bad movie in the first place was bad?

Let's look at it from another angle. The only traded movies on the net (I mean heavily traded) are movies that are in theatre, making lots of money anyway. Now, would I take the risk of *MAYBE* watch a crappy movie (with 20mins of commercials/previews) for $9, in a theatre, where the food is more expensive than a house? The movie industry has been sucking every dollars they could over the last 20-30 years, and they've been doing it on the fact that we cannot know if we're gonna like what we paid for (i.e. I loved the LOTR, seen them all in theatre, bought them on DVD.. yet I downloaded them).

And one fun twist that's been around for ages about music.. why are CDs more expensive than tapes? Quality? Vinyl has a higher quality, actualy, and when you "buy" a tape/cd, you buy the license that allows you to listen to it, and it's not a "if (%quality >= 22kHz) = %total * 2" license.

I don't post often, but seeing that the director of a movie agrees with me on movies (like, DOWNLOAD MY SHIT, ITS COOL WE'RE ALL BROS AND SHIT), it makes me very happy. Seeing someone in the industry itself agreeing is a very nice feeling

My 2 cents.

PS: I'll make sure to download it, too :P

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Fitting tight with the video scene, I'm glad to see a director who has the view of a pirate himself. Pushing bootleg releases out on the net hasn't been a task for many groups so people to grab and decide to sell, but a task so people who can not afford to see a good/bad movie at the movie theater (also for movies such as this being a limited theater release). The movie industry of course sees this as a violent act towards their industry, as a bunch of dumb people actually do go out and sell crappy cam copies on DVDs. I'd like to point out a video that I've done, it's called Piracy the Addiction, its on clubten.tv . It's my view on piracy, however judge it whatever way you wish. I am a up and coming video producer, and see no problem with piracy as it just helps most people get to see movies that they normally can not see right away. Isn't the movie industry about the entertainment? Revenue usually generates back, so what money is lost? Nothing. Did we tell the industry to pay actors millions of dollars to act in their films? No . . . . quite stupid if you ask me if they want to bitch about us stealing their films. Personally, I get in the movies for free since my girlfriend works box at a movie theater. Also the managers have tons of friends they let in free. So yes, PIRACY isn't the only thing hurting the industry, the theaters employees let people slide in for free!!

About L.A. Twister, haven't had a chance to see it , haven't even seen a theater around here that may have it. Will be sure to buy it when the DVD arrives in stores.

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making lots of money anyway

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Very poor outlook on piracy. You are rationalizing theft. Wal-Mart makes TONS of money, is it alright to walk in there and just slip items into your pockets?

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hi mom!



I checked the most "artsy"/experimental movie theatres around, and noone will be showing this movie on the big screen, it seems (Denmark).

Edit: Heh, I already had access to it on an ftp server - if it hadn't been for this thread, I'd never have thought to watch it.. now it will be accompanying my dinner, I can't wait.

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hi mom!



now hurry up someone, and release a dvd rip of the movie, so that us scandinavians can watch it too - I checked the most "artsy"/experimental movie theatres around, and noone will be showing this movie on the big screen, it seems.

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I just sat and laughed alone for about a minute at the thought of someone like Sven or any other new forum browser clickin on Neversoft's random link.

Haven't seen this link yet...at work.....maybe it's tasty.

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Ah yes neversoft - found it now.. by HLS, released 29. of September - wonder why it's not on vcdquality?

Sven: If you want to see how the pirated cut of your movie looks like, I'm sure someone here could upload it too you.. I doubt you'll have much luck with IRC, I tried before, and got 3 KB/s =)

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Sven,

It has really been exciting to have you as a guest here on the forums. I appreciate your work on LA Twister. After reading Mystic's review and your initial response, I went online to see if LA Twister was playing near me- unfortunately it wasn't, so I scoured the net for a copy to satiate my curiousity. After watching the movie a couple times through, I'm happy to support Mystic's nomination of best film of 2004. Great work- I'll definitely be buying the DVD when it comes out. I've left my support on IMDB.com in the form of a 10 rating and an exemplary review- which I'll post here as well. Thanks for the great work.

"Sven Pape has proven himself genius with this distinctly unique artwork. Covering all aspects of the "Hollywood scene," Pape holds nothing back while unveiling the beast behind the Hollywood mask. Zack Ward commands a stellar lead, and is supported by a very talented and inventive cast and crew. Pape has created a work that will appeal to the viewer at every emotional level, and leave his audience hungry for more of his work. L.A. Twister should be a huge stepping-stone in the career of Sven Pape, and will definitely be a mile marker of remembrance. In an era where the public is bombarded by senseless and unmeaning media which Hollywood dubs as "entertainment," it is encouraging and refreshing to view a work of art such as L.A. Twister. "

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You are rationalizing theft.

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Ok so I just found this thread while browsin round the forum, read the reviews, watched the trailer, now I really wanna see this movie, so off I go to find it!
If it wasn't for the "pirates" I wouldn't be able to see this film!

@Sven
Total respect with your attitude on this one!

Alex

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