lo.pro
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Re: Aspect Ratio vs. Cropping (and my review)
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Originally posted by EccoDomi
Now lets talk about cropping. I work in a movie theatre and actually get to see a lot of shti you guys dont. Example: Did you know they shoot and deliver the video raw to theatres? Yup. When in the theatre and the masking tape that hides the extra width and height is removed, you can see the boom mikes they used to film the movie with. They leave em in! The movie is actually MUCH bigger than the screens. I've seen plenty of raw movies, and the picture is actually a good 5 feet above and below the screen and about 1-2 feet more ont he side (including sound lines). The theatre then fits the movie on to the screen (we are an older theatre so we use maskin tape over the lens). So, and I forget which movie it was, but lots of folks were bitchin about seeing the boom mikes in a CTP release. Those aren't their mikes (lol and why would they be? Are they using them cause the speakers are in the theatre seats where the mikes are pointed to? lol), thats bad theatre cropping and centering (if you see those and its cropped [with tape] then the theatre did a bad job and the movie isn't centered how it should be).
i've mentioned this before in relation to the boom mike argument. however, it's only true for films shot in Super35, i believe. this innovation was developed as an alternative to "pan and scan", which loses much of the picture when the movie is telecined and then made FS. with super35, you usually actually see MORE of the picture in the full screen version, not less as with pan and scan. most theatres use an attachment that fits onto the end of the projector and boxes out the extra part of the fiim, rather than masking tape (but you mentioned that the equipment in your theatre was old).
as for the dupe issue: it's a dupe. anybody who argues with that doesn't understand what the scene's all about. CTP's refusal to tag the dir with INTERNAL or PROPER is pure arrogance. if they started to do so, 90% of sites that don't take internals would probably make an exception for ctp anyway, so it wouldn't really make any difference to the end user. there are already sites with rules like "no CAM or TS except CTP or TCF". any CTP internal will spread everywhere, the only reason they don't tag it that way is because they think they're better than everyone else and don't have to play by scene rules. and as long as sites keep letting them get away with it, they're right, at least about the last part.
i've got a lot more respect for TCF in that regard. they own the screener scene, but you don't see them acting like they can just put out whatever they want, regardless of whether it's been done by anyone else or whatever. and when they do proper or internal, they tell their reasoning in the nfo, as is appropriate. they don't just stick it out there as if it's a given that everyone wants their shit, so there's no reason why they should have to stoop to following the conventions that allow the scene to function. if everybody acted like CTP does, the scene would be chaos, and what quality control there is left would be shot to hell.
also, it's lame in that they're being allowed to 'rest on their laurels'. if sites don't nuke them as dupes, then that means they never need to worry about whether any other group starts to come up and give them some competition. and wtf, maybe another group could have made their release better, but they were trying to race and beat other groups (which is the point of the scene, remember?). if ctp wants to pull themselves from that part of the scene, and considers themselves above competition, then ALL of their releases should be considered internals. because if TCF had released after them, TCF would have been nuked as a dupe (except for the fact that TCF would have labelled theirs INTERNAL, as is appropriate). nukers who allow a group to release a dupe without it being nuked, and yet nuke other releases which dupe theirs, are suckers; they've allowed themselves to be pressured and conned by a group into doing whatever the group wants them to do, including giving them an unfair advantage in competition. you can still take CTP's releases if they mark them INTERNAL; you can still get them in your request dirs if they don't. but don't let them push you around, it's bad for the scene.
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Originally posted by chocco
It's funny listening to people whine & complain when they get stuff for free nor do they understand why things occur .. Personally I don't like flicker either and i'm willing to sacrifice angle for detail/sharpness.. It's a small price to pay, but the end result is an image that is a lot clearer You can't have it both ways unfortunately, at least not unless you're filthy rich and even then there're limitations.. Point is when a projector beams an image onto the white screen it reflects light back towards the audience.. this is why you see the image & this is also why there is flicker with a cams recorded video when recording dead on.. The less direct you are in viewing the image head on then the less flicker there is in addition the more detail a camera will pick up because it can focus.. IMO People that argue about small details on good releases should just shut up & spend the money to see the movie anyways...
reflected light isn't the only reason for flicker. there's also the issue of the frame rate difference between FILM and PAL. no lens filter will get rid of that, it's got to be processed out during the encode, or not picked up in the first place (by adjusting the camera's frame rate).
as to your whining about people whining, i don't understand why people get upset about those who comment on deficiencies in the releases; what otherwise is the point of this forum, if not to talk about that? no matter how good the release is, it's never going to match watching it in the theatre, so you wouldn't need to look at people's comments in order to make that decision. if you want to see it in the theatre, do so. if you want to download a release of it, you probably would like to know as much as possible about it before you waste your time and bandwidth. obviously, some have a problem with picture angle, some have more problem with graininess, etc etc, so for those people it makes sense that it is mentioned whether those problems exist, so they can decide which release they'd prefer to download.
also, wtf, big deal if someone does comment about it. i'd rather hear people's opinions on these details and / or some sort of technical discussion / argument than read 150 one-line "ctp rawks, great release, thx guys" or "tcf ownz0rz j00 all mofos, this rls r teh suck" replies, any day.
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Originally posted by temp0
Maybe you're blind or just a tard. But a lot of people noticed the obvious, probably intentional, bad enough to ruin the TS angle.
As another viewer posted: http://www.fhost.org/x/dublin/t1.JPG
You seriously don't see the Jay Leno chin?
don't need to look at the chin. look at the vertical lines on the walls, it's pretty hard to argue with that.
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Originally posted by dalton4life
And more. Look for Arnold to win a Grammy for the hit song "I am A Machine".
heh not to mention possibly being governor of california by next year :-O
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