I'm surprised with this Replica release..it's much better qual. then their previous releases..movie is just ok, but worth the download

10/10/6

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Untouched video/menu/opening trailers

rest stripped.

Opening Trailers are starting to bug me now...

my .02

PS: WB VCDQ

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maybe Replica was told by enough people that the quick one-click program wasn't cutting it, and they went back to CCE? ... maybe, maybe not.

Crap movie, more action, less love

10/10/2

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Well, this still COULD have been a one-click proggy that did it since video is untouched... Good release though.

JoshNya... I hear ya on the opening trailers I don't even check if I've seen them before anymore, I just skip, skip, skip... Even in theaters now I just want the movie just to start.

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havent seen it yet :/ but i was wondering is it Widescreen? or a FS dvd?
edit: nevmind found the sample

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havent seen it yet :/ but i was wondering is it Widescreen? or a FS dvd?
edit: nevmind found the sample

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I love how people bash a group on rumors. Thats what makes scene so good. Ive used Procoder as you all state they use. If its 1 step proggy shit someone tell me what Im doing wrong cause its just as hard as cce and alot better quality than cce and takes same amount of time. Oops im sorry I forgot doitfast4u cce isnt a 1 step proggy its a 4 step. lol

btw procoder on max settings as I use it takes as much time as a 5 pass cce but quality is at least 20% better especially on long movies. 2 hrs plus.

What we should do is all go back to win95 since according to everyone here all new stuff is shit. maybe just go back to dos. New apps cant be any good. what we need updates for. dual layer burners nah that isnt possible. 12x dvd writing is a lie as well. Grow up guys and get with times Procoder 2 just came out as well. Hoping to see what new features they've added.

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Carlitosbaby,

I tried to explain Procoder is a more than good encoder in some other thread and that there are much more 1-click addons for CCE than for any other standalone encoder. But of course Replica steps back from Procoder again cuz there are a gazillion ppl out there think they use some cheap tool (like crackerjax). I gave up though.

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Why is ProCoder even in this thread? The damn video is untouched, meaning neither ProCoder nor CCE was used...

But while we're off topic:

To do the job right on encoding (CCE or ProCoder) you have to learn how to use all the options and not rely on those quicky proggies (DoItCrappy4U, etc...).

But I love the made up facts : "procoder on max settings as I use it takes as much time as a 5 pass cce but quality is at least 20% better especially on long movies. 2 hrs plus."

The fact is, I can make CCE encodes look similar to ProCoder encodes. And with more tweaking, I am sure I can make ProCoder encodes look similar to CCE. Since they both get the same video bandwidth average and ultimately both end up as MPEG2. Just a slightly different distribution algorithm.

ProCoder vs. CCE is really just a preference. Personally I do like CCE 2.5 more, but I was able to get pretty decent results with ProCoder (I just like the sharp edges more in CCE... Each to his own on this one... To be FAIR, I did like ProCoders large gradiant surface encoding, really smooth looking [this is like a large single color wall, or even a cartoon {like Extractor mentioned in the last ProCoder convo}]). Really all about where the encoders decide to use their bits. But also, a lot of poor encodes aren't the encoders fault, many times the problem lies between the keyboard and the chair

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Extractor I cant agree more with you man people like to live in the past. I made a 1 disc LOTR3 with procoder and one with cce9 pass I deleted the cce one was really bad procoder on my plasma like great. Ive gotten tired of reading josh and porco always flaming replica and procoder. If rep does use procoder great to them they are up with the times. Why don't I see them flaming dzn and ctp who screw up every dvdr. nope those groups are fine. Im stating my opinion is all by experience not but reading forums.

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Ive gotten tired of reading josh and porco always flaming replica and procoder. If rep does use procoder great to them they are up with the times. Why don't I see them flaming dzn and ctp who screw up every dvdr. nope those groups are fine. Im stating my opinion is all by experience not but reading forums.

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completely off topic, but i'm finding procoder absolutely superb for conveting DV footage to web formats, and i can see me using it for DV > DVDR. whether i'd use it for DVD > DVDR.. is to be seen.

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Ok, I'm gonna put an end to this discussion. I've tried both and iMo CCE is by far better. And don't just let me convince ya, look see..

Canopus PROCODER2 HIGH QUALITY HIGH SPEED
HarmonyComputers:$417 LA Computer:$435 Chumbo:$384 $367 to $490
http://www.nextag.com/buyer/outpdir...search=procoder

Cinema Craft Encoder SP $1,950.00
http://www.visiblelight.com/mall/pr...x?cat=201&pid=9

It's like comparing a Generic screwdriver to a Craftsman screwdriver. One is a lot cheaper then the other and both can do the same job. Except the Craftsman is better quality and built to last. I mean, if you want to use a lesser product expect a lesser quality standard. Just because one person can't see the difference doesn't mean everyone can't.

again... my .02

PS: Hellboy was a good rls, cept the opening trailers

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http://images.industryclick.com/fil...4VSsfeature.pdf

Here's a comparision chart from videosystems.com in which CCE also wins. However, the article also says that Procoder does a very good job on low bitrates. Also interesting is that CCE wins against the industry standard (warner, columbia, etc) hardware Sonic SD-Series which costs like $25,000. So in that case the craftsman screwdriver seems to be worse. Videomakers magazine had a different point of view, in their review SD was best then procoder then CCE. The reason for such things are that it depends on what test material they were encoding. I already said this in another thread. I don't wanna say Procoder is generally better than CCE. In fact I use CCE for most of my encodings. But if you have to go for low bitrates or animation stuff, it's always worth comparing instead of blind believing that the one who demands the highest price always gives you the best quality.

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Well theres a HUGE difference between hardware and software encoding, plus it's listed seperetly (as it should). So I think your reading that wrong bro. Price does go with quality (according to that chart), cept the BitVice seems to be the best deal, not the Procoder as to Price/Quality issue.

Hardware u need Hardware and Software to encode
Software just requires the Software.

I think if CCE had a hardware encoder it would be more then $25,000 plus do alot better then them all, then you can compare the two. But if they say CCE better then the hardware top, more power to CCE.

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In the full article it was said that the final points are comparable though. They only listed it seperately, so that you're able to distinguish

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Personally I am happy to see some real facts coming out finally.

83 (ProCoder) to 91 (CCE) is a pretty tight race. Would you happen to have the full article so I can read up a bit more?

The only experience I have is with experimentation with ProCoder, maybe some good reading will help explain some unknowns.

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Oh, I think I found the article:

http://bg.videosystems.com/ar/video...otout/index.htm

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Damn have i accidently stumbled onto videohelp.com

Strange considering this is an Untouched release, though it does look nice, pity the film isnt up to much.

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Great reading/find...

It only makes sense, that company would sell the best product on the market for the most amount of money. I mean if there was a better product for less, the company would either have to improve it, bring down the price, or go out of business. Simple business 101 class there.

But if I were out to purchase a product for mpeg2 encoding, I would definatly use #2 procoder. But untill then I'll continue with CCE.

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