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friedcat
Jan 2005

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XViD encoding standards for scene releases?

Are there any? - besides the very crude guidelines of codec type allowed and no. of CDs vs. movie duration?

I came across a couple of XViD releases that wouldn't play on a recently released DivX player. After analysing them it seemed that the reason why I was unable to play these releases was due to the fact that the movie was encoded using an MPEG Custom quantization matrix. Not all players support this and it certainly doesn't form part of the "DivX certified for Home Theatre" accreditation requirements (you can check this out using Dr DivX, try and encode a file using the Home Theatre profile and you'll see you're locked into using the H.263 quantization matrix).

Now, I'm not sure what release scene rules are enforced these days but if its TDX2002, then theres no mention of any such requirement to use default H.263 or MPEG matrices when encoding.

It would be nice to see releases work with commercial player offerings, but the current state of play makes it very easy for release groups to pander to the latest features available in their preferred codec (sometimes for little visual gains particularly on 2CD releases) - so it would seem necessary that some encoding guidelines need to be set in stone or we'll continue to see releases the work on some devices and not on others.

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horizonstar
Dec 2002


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DivX-playing hardware itself is far from standardized. Why not make phone calls to all the electronics companies out there demanding that they adopt some standards? It'd be more effective than advocating for scene rules changes on a forum that nobody in the scene reads.

Release groups have enough to worry about without satisfying every person's particular preferred machine's idiosyncracies. All scene DivX releases play just fine on my computer, from which I can feed S-Video, DVI, or VGA output to any number of televisions or big screen projectors.

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J Fresh
Jan 2004


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well maybe a new standard should go in effect, if it will play on a standalone, it'll play on teh pc and everyone is happy.

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Mother
Aug 2003


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quote:
Originally posted by horizonstar
DivX-playing hardware itself is far from standardized. Why not make phone calls to all the electronics companies out there demanding that they adopt some standards?
There is a standard for MPEG-4, and all hardware players support the Simple Profile (SP) within that standard.

The XviD encoder can be configured to generate Simple Profile*, however usually Advanced Simple Profile (ASP) is used (this includes for Quarterpel, GMC, etc.). Some hardware players can cope with this, but AFAIK there is no player (yet) that supports all the feaures of ASP.

So why don't all scene XviD releases conform to MPEG-4 SP?

I don't know, it's just one of those inconsistencies in the scene rules, like SVCDs that have audio bitrates other than 224kbps are nuked because of reported incompatibilities with some standalones, even though an SVCD with 192kbps conforms to standards and will play on 99% of players. On the other hand, some groups release VCDs with non-VCD-standard video streams (OBUS, MPT) and they are left alone!

*(Up until recently, even video encoded to Simple Profile was not 100% guarateed to be MPEG-4 compliant ,due to a limitation in the codec. I believe this is now fixed since XviD 1.0)

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Jan 2004


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tdx2005 rules:

if it works....rock
if it doesn't, beat it with a stick

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Mother
Aug 2003


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Well I was expecting someone to chime in with "well such-and-such hardware player will play MPEG-4 ASP", or "my Xbox plays everything I throw at it".


Basically, DivX rips have been around a lot longer than hardware players, scene rules were compiled for playback on a PC, if you wanted to play on a standalone you would download the SVCD instead. I guess until hardware players catch up, this is still the case.

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Mar 2004


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Just found out my dvd player does kvcd... whoodathunkit?

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friedcat
Jan 2005

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Thanks for those who responded with useful comments - I found an article which discusses Xvid interoperability for those who are interested in the subject over here.

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