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Posted by Jaded4Ten on 01-16-2005 04:00 AM:

9/9/?

ntsc, anamorphic 5.3 mb/s cbr, dd 5.1

occasional "For Your Consideration"

Posted by on 01-16-2005 05:20 AM:

Has anybody noticed some slight interlacing on this?

Posted by wonkabar on 01-16-2005 08:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Axalon
Has anybody noticed some slight interlacing on this?

No.. not slight interlacing. The entire movie is interlaced. This is what happens when groups rush releases.. OR just incompetence.

Now, it might be possible that the original screener was encoded as interlace (but I highly doubt it). EITHER way, this could be encoded as progressive.

My progressive scan dvd player did NOT do inverse 3:2 pulldown.. So, it played back INTERLACED. ERGGGH.

GROUPS. PLEASE QUIT RUSHING RELEASES. OR LEARN WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

Sigh, i'll have to look into this later.. it might be as simple as setting the progressive flag and re-authoring with no re-encoding.

First post said CBR? I did not check, but that is shitty if so. A proper is well needed. =(

Posted by bcool2k on 01-16-2005 12:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Axalon
Has anybody noticed some slight interlacing on this?

No problems here. Excellent PIC and Sound. NO black and white and very few For your Consideration on the bottom 3rd of the print. Excellent Film. Natalie Portman looks fantastic as a Stripper!!

9/9/8

Posted by porco556 on 01-17-2005 03:53 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by wonkabar
No.. not slight interlacing. The entire movie is interlaced. This is what happens when groups rush releases.. OR just incompetence.

Now, it might be possible that the original screener was encoded as interlace (but I highly doubt it). EITHER way, this could be encoded as progressive.

My progressive scan dvd player did NOT do inverse 3:2 pulldown.. So, it played back INTERLACED. ERGGGH.

GROUPS. PLEASE QUIT RUSHING RELEASES. OR LEARN WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

Sigh, i'll have to look into this later.. it might be as simple as setting the progressive flag and re-authoring with no re-encoding.

First post said CBR? I did not check, but that is shitty if so. A proper is well needed. =(

Man, if only you knew where these DVD screeners come from then you'd understand. There is no encoding possibilities. DVD screeners no longer come on easy to rip standard DVDs, they come on special discs that can only be played on special players. The only way to even get the video is to copy them directly onto a standard DVD-recorder (standalone real-time recorder). Since it is a standalone recorder, it is usually like a CBR 4mbit/sec interlaced recording (like Finding Neverland and a few/lot other that came out this year). It is part of the MPAA cut down on spreading screeners through the scene. With the Oscards coming up, this was such a problem that they were going to cut them all together until this solution came out (of making the special players).

::EDIT:: There are better standalone recorders they could have used. Team America was good and so was The Incredibles, but most of the rest of the DVDScrs have been like this one. But this all costs $$$

Now, if you wish, please feel free to watch the telesync until your *proper* comes out (which will most likely be a R3 or R1 retail). Until then, enjoy what's out, or start your own group (which is of course super welcome as we need more of them

)

People sure do bitch alot though lately on the quality. It's free and WAY ahead of retail release dates (think this one's still in theaters).

Here is a link (from another post a while back (from Finding Neverland thread) which will explain it yet again): http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/kiss...theres_more.htm

ONE other suggestion if you do not like interlaced video. Use PowerDVD with hardware acceleration and auto deinterlacing feature. It doesn't look great, but it's much better than without it. You can do TV out and the picture will look great. And on a 27" I'm sure it will look more than good enough.

Posted by on 01-17-2005 04:41 AM:

I wasn't trying to bitch, just wanted to know if anybody else was experiencing interlacing.

I honestly appreciate all these DVD SCR's that are coming out, it doesn't bother me that it's interlaced as it obviously beats anything somebody can do with a camera in a theatre.

Posted by porco556 on 01-17-2005 05:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Axalon
I wasn't trying to bitch, just wanted to know if anybody else was experiencing interlacing.

I honestly appreciate all these DVD SCR's that are coming out, it doesn't bother me that it's interlaced as it obviously beats anything somebody can do with a camera in a theatre.

Hehe... That wasn't targeted at you

Posted by wonkabar on 01-18-2005 02:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by porco556
Man, if only you knew where these DVD screeners come from then you'd understand. There is no encoding possibilities. DVD screeners no longer come on easy to rip standard DVDs, they come on special discs that can only be played on special players. The only way to even get the video is to copy them directly onto a standard DVD-recorder (standalone real-time recorder). Since it is a standalone recorder, it is usually like a CBR 4mbit/sec interlaced recording (like Finding Neverland and a few/lot other that came out this year). It is part of the MPAA cut down on spreading screeners through the scene. With the Oscards coming up, this was such a problem that they were going to cut them all together until this solution came out (of making the special players).

::EDIT:: There are better standalone recorders they could have used. Team America was good and so was The Incredibles, but most of the rest of the DVDScrs have been like this one. But this all costs $$$

Now, if you wish, please feel free to watch the telesync until your *proper* comes out (which will most likely be a R3 or R1 retail). Until then, enjoy what's out, or start your own group (which is of course super welcome as we need more of them )

People sure do bitch alot though lately on the quality. It's free and WAY ahead of retail release dates (think this one's still in theaters).

Here is a link (from another post a while back (from Finding Neverland thread) which will explain it yet again): http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/kiss...theres_more.htm

ONE other suggestion if you do not like interlaced video. Use PowerDVD with hardware acceleration and auto deinterlacing feature. It doesn't look great, but it's much better than without it. You can do TV out and the picture will look great. And on a 27" I'm sure it will look more than good enough.

If the dvd unit has component out.. and s/pdif (or TOSLINK). There are much more viable solutions.. But, I understand people are not made out of money.

I am disappointed that the stand alone dvd-recorder can not record in progressive.. Or, maybe it can and the gayed up player does not give progressive output.

Now, the dvd player I used to playback STILL played it back interlaced.. But, maybe because it is a piece of shit. A good progressive scan dvdplayer SHOULD be able to playback progressive.

But, still a pain non theless for simple 'progressive scan' dvd players that just bypass the pulldown.

Oh, and about the Incredibles.. I am sure it was from a real DVD. The dvdscr Pixar sent out for the Annies was a regular dvd. ..but maybe that was not the source.

Anyway, thanks for letting me know. =)

Posted by porco556 on 01-18-2005 08:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wonkabar
If the dvd unit has component out.. and s/pdif (or TOSLINK). There are much more viable solutions.. But, I understand people are not made out of money.

I am disappointed that the stand alone dvd-recorder can not record in progressive.. Or, maybe it can and the gayed up player does not give progressive output.

Now, the dvd player I used to playback STILL played it back interlaced.. But, maybe because it is a piece of shit. A good progressive scan dvdplayer SHOULD be able to playback progressive.

But, still a pain non theless for simple 'progressive scan' dvd players that just bypass the pulldown.

Oh, and about the Incredibles.. I am sure it was from a real DVD. The dvdscr Pixar sent out for the Annies was a regular dvd. ..but maybe that was not the source.

Anyway, thanks for letting me know. =)

Progressive recording would need some serious CPU power. I expect soon enough (if not already) a progressive recorder will come out. Just like MP3s used to take up 100% CPU power back in the days, now you got a keychain that stores 128megs and plays MP3s. I am thinking the main reason is the stupid MPAA is trying to avoid copying movies like people used to do with VHS-to-VHS. Not a BAD idea to stop, but man, even with a progressive stand-alone recorder, you still only have constant bit rate recordings (and we'll never see a VBR stand-alone recorder as it is impossible... WELL, not impossible, but sure wouldn't be easy).

As for progressive/interlaced players. If the video is interlaced, no player will really fix that up (at least none that I saw). Higher end TVs have a chip (Farouja) that converts interlaced signal to progressive. In some cases, it looks pretty damn good. But you need to feed in a 480i signal to do this. Sending in a 480p will bypass the chip and you'll have interlacing again. So you'll have to turn the progressive scan off on your player (usually in the menu). Or use your computer with PowerDVD and the hardware acceleration on and TV-out to your TV. That's pretty good too.

Posted by pedantics on 01-25-2005 04:35 AM:

8.5/9/8.5

video is alright - my pioneer dv-270 standalone managed to play in prog scan mode. gotta admit, the interlacing is extremely apparent on in VLC on the computer though.

extremely decent release - being that this movie hasn't even hit the cinemas here yet, I'm very happy with this

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