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Feb 2004
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Owning a Pro-BSL guy on the issues.
Most wont care about this, but its an important issue to me right now as BSL is spreading fast.This is botchalism from another forum, and his take on the issue of BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) followed by my response.
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Originally posted by botchalism
Well I think we can all agree that the only thing worse then pitbulls are the Welsh  . I think with any dog, like any human, has the capacity to snap. I've heard many stories of the ideal pitbull, loved, obediance trained, and the like, yet unexpectedly snaps. The black lab that bit me at the dog park had gone wild because he'd been through 2 robberies in one week. My Maltese is a pretty mean little guy and when he turned on his short man syndrome and bullied the dog, the dog SNAPPED. I had to intervene, as it was obvious the lab was out for blood. It grazed my hand with its teeth and I kicked it, and it immediatly retreated. My dog had a knick as did I which was bleeding but quickly stopped. Had this been a pitbull, would I have been able to give it a swift kick and expect release. You tell me. Its in their breed to never let up once they bite down. I mean, so what, they're 5 times better in temperment. I don't care if a dalmation bites 5, 10, 20 times more, it will never equal 1 pitbull attack. So a little Pomeranian can kill an infant, a mongoose can kill an infant. I love my Maltese like a child, but would I leave him alone with an infant? No. Do infants roam the streets in danger of a small dog killing them, no. Do adults and children walk the streets in danger of a pitbull attack, yes.
Let me ask you why did you specifically pick a pitbull for a family pet. There are so many other ideal family dogs, specifically bred for human companionship and nothing else. Why pick a dog with a pedigree for violence, I mean why? I think even caring owners have some subtle desire to fufill the masculinity allure of the dog, don't you think?
You mention that your website is against irresponsible ownership. How do you combat it? If all you do is say "its bad", "don't fight pitbulls please', then of course its ludicrous to think you'll make an impact. If not BSL, then what? You don't think limiting ownership privileges of pits and rotts from novice owners is feasible? You said pitbulls need structure and rules in their life, do you think the average joe 6 pack will provide this? It wouldn't completely stop the flow, limiting it this way, but it would keep it out of easy access of criminals. Yes gun control doesn't mean criminals don't have guns, however, its harder to get and IF caught with them Do not pass go, do not collect $200. I guess my biggest point is, yes guns will end up in the wrong hands, but is making it readily available at the corner store for a $100 the answer?
AND NOW MY RESPONSE
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Originally posted by PiTBuLLeD a.k.a VTouch
Firstly, my breed is less likely to bite a human, they pass w/ higher temperment tests for a reason. Temperment tests document the dogs personality, including aggressive behavior towards strangers, children, other dogs/animals, and food bowls. The Pit Bull passes this Temperment Test with an amazing 83.5%. The Cocker Spaniel passes with 81.5%, and the Collie (Lassie) passes with a score of just 79%. Yes they were bred to fight other dogs, but during these fights the owners would be in the ring with the dogs. These dogs knew never to bite a human, for if they did they were killed. This being the case the pits that bit were killed thus taking them out of the reproduction cycle thus removing those traits from the breed. By doing this they have created a dog aggressive, people friendly breed. Not only that many of the fighters were treated like shit,yet never turned on their owner nor the other people in the "pit" during the fights. As mentioned above it was bred into the dogs that biting a human = death. Animals just know stuff, its called instincts and its created by years and years of evolution.
I specifically picked a Pit Bull (AmStaff Terrier) because i have grown up around them all my life, they have been in my family for generations. My brother breeds them, and gave me the pick of the litter. The reasons this breed is so popular is because they are known to be super loyal dogs, that give 110% at instruction you give them (which irresponsible owners exploit) and they show you more unconditional love then your average breed. Overall they are great companions, my GoTTi is my traveling companion, bodyguard, best friend, and child all in one. I say bodyguard because i have trained my dog to listen to my every command. Though being a responsible owner i would never misuse that power, only for the protection of me & my famiy in only the most needed situations.
The way to combat irresponsible ownership is to dramatically increase the relatively light weight penalties we have now for dog fighting / animal cruelty / animal neglect. It makes no sense to kill so innocent dogs, taking away best friends and even family members for some because of a few bad owners who had no business raising the dog in the first place. Also make it harder to buy a Pit Bull, which would mean stopping these puppy mills and irresponsible breeders. Hell even have owners take a course or something. This breed is only, i repeat, ONLY for those who will raise it properly and give the dog structure and a base of common basic ideas (rules). The problem is the Gov. is lazy so instead of being proactive on the issue, they would rather just say "fuk it" (excuse my language) just ban them and kill any more that we catch. It sure is alot easier than saying "you know what? lets go out there and get the heartless scumbags who use their dog as a decoration or worse a fighter", thus creating a bad dog.Im not saying there are not instances where the dog is just not right in the head because like any breed ( or animal for that matter, including human) there are mentally screwed up creatures, but this is a factor of life. You dont go out and kill off a whole breed because of a flaw in life.
The problem with your gun control analogy is that they are just putting a set of standards in order to purchase a fire arm, where'es they are just flat out BANNING pit bulls. That means that any dogs brought into the community afterwords is illegal regardless of its training, temperment, or backround. It gets euthanized simply for being the wrong breed. In Denver, 1,075 dogs identified as pit bulls were euthanized from May 2005 though May 2006, thats almost 3 dogs killed a day just for being pit bulls. This is unacceptable. I hope i opened your eyes to some realities to BSL. Please dont ever think that Breed Specific Legislation is a list of restrictions and standards to own a pit bull because its not. It is a FLAT OUT BAN! NO you can not own this breed under ANY circumstances unless it was registered before the ban date. Ok? So what happens after that last generation of Pits die out? Extinction buddy, thats what.
I hope you can see the other side of the story. Our side, the responsible owners who have special relationships with their dogs. All i ask it that you better make sure you got the right enemy in your crosshairs before you pull the trigger on a whole breed.
Joey T.
www.myspace.com/italianyg <--- for Pit Bull facts, info, and pics of me and my dog GoTTi
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