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This release should be nuked for low bitrate. I like JKR, but for some reason they always leave all the audio tracks on their releases. This release has 5.1 English, DTS English, French 2.0, and Thai 5.1 audio. Leaving the DTS, French, and Thai ate up over 1,200 MB of space and resulted in an average bitrate of 2957 which is below the scene required standard of a 3000 average bitrate. I don’t understand why JKR doesn’t strip the unneeded audio tracks, this is a very simple task. At least they stripped all the extras.

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great rls. good movie. all was kept thats good for people that want to watch it in other SUBS and AUDIO.
again all the other rls of the movie didt even cover all the audio that was on this R1. THANKS JKR for the great RLS and keep up the great work.

to the people that bitch. get up off your ass and start doing something about it then. till then shut up and sit down and ride it like it is

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Too bad about the bitrate. I'm with Pablo on this one. Going to keep the R3 myself. I guess the next question is, will there be a proper? Personally I wouldn't mind one, but not sure if it's technically warranted to have one...

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The R3 from TGP was untouched with 2 x 5.1 streams and bitrate of around 5700 average according to the NFO

So if this is just two more streams with a DTS and a 2.0
for a 1000.

Where are the 1700 if this is below 3000 average ?

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The R3 from TGP was untouched with 2 x 5.1 streams and bitrate of around 5700 average according to the NFO

So if this is just two more streams with a DTS and a 2.0
for a 1000.

Where are the 1700 if this is below 3000 average ?

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Very very pixelated in action scenes
Audio 10(dts ownz)
Video 4
Thnx for the release JKR

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HMM... Here is a clip from IGN's review of the video quality:

The Video
Stealth is presented in 2.40:1 anamorphic widescreen preserving aspect ratio of the original theatrical release. While one might expect that a transfer of a new or recent film would preserve or improve upon the original image quality of the material, this DVD offers a terrible transfer full of pixilation, macroblocking and archiving.

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Score: 5 out of 10

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So, pixelation is even in the untouched (unless IGN is using the JKR release for their review ). So Joker might not be fully responsible for the encode afterall. NOW don't get me wrong, re-encoding artifacting makes worse, blurrier artifacts, but at the same time it was there from the source and not added by them.

I'm now definitely sticking with the R3 myself. It is IMO better than this one (but that's just me).

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This rls sounded dodgy in the first place and now the DVD9 has surfaced it is more obvious. The subs give it away, this is no R1. The R1 DVD9 has english, french and spanish subs.

The lack of info in the nfo also had me questioning this rls, doesn't say whether is was re-encoded or if it was at what bitrate.

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The Region 1 and Region 3 retail's of this movie are exactly the same. Same menu, same audio tracks, same subs, same extras (or lack thereof), and the same video transfer. Get the R3 for maximum quality.

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The Region 1 and Region 3 retail's of this movie are exactly the same. Same menu, same audio tracks, same subs, same extras (or lack thereof), and the same video transfer. Get the R3 for maximum quality.

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As I posted in the R3 thread, that 'looked' to all intents and purposes like a R1 transfer. That is to say it was transferred from an interpositive and not from a release print like so many unauthorised releases. The NFO for this release refers to the R3 as being "crap" but I can assure everyone it is every bit as good as any R1 transfer I've seen recently. The untouched R3 has absolutely no pixelisation or blocking even on the fast action sequences of which there are many.

Having said that I will be downloading the DVD-9 version at the first opportunity and re-encoding it myself as DTS is very much the icing on the cake for this particular kind of movie.

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Having said that I will be downloading the DVD-9 version at the first opportunity and re-encoding it myself as DTS is very much the icing on the cake for this particular kind of movie.

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There already was a DVD-5 version of Stealth with untouched video and DTS (came out day after the TGP release... Was released by MPT).

So you'll probably get away with the same thing and you won't have to encode it (unless you want to keep the 5.1 English track in addition to the DTS, then you'll be around 100 megs short from being able to have untouched vid... But the menu is 86 megs You can always drop that... Might be REALLY tight)

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There already was a DVD-5 version of Stealth with untouched video and DTS (came out day after the TGP release... Was released by MPT).

So you'll probably get away with the same thing and you won't have to encode it (unless you want to keep the 5.1 English track in addition to the DTS, then you'll be around 100 megs short from being able to have untouched vid... But the menu is 86 megs You can always drop that... Might be REALLY tight)

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There's never a 2.0 channel English soundtrack when you need one! The way I figure it if a friend hasn't got DTS he _probably_ hasn't got 5.1 surround either (an over-simplification I know).

From everything I've read and seen so far the R3 DVD-9 is the one to have and very reasonably priced even where I live.

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If you play the 5.1 track, and you've only got stereo L and R cables going out to your TV, then it will be automatically downmixed to 2.0. At least it does it on all the players I've got. Proof being that center channel (speech) comes out both left and right on a TV.

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hmm but i think a 2.0 mix is better than 5.1 getting downsampled(or whatever the proper term is) to 2.0.


if someone doesn't have 5.1 i think that would work a bit better for them...


and if some doesn't have 5.1 it's likely they don' even know what dts is ????

really so many people are like dts ??? uh ???

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hmm but i think a 2.0 mix is better than 5.1 getting downsampled(or whatever the proper term is) to 2.0.

if someone doesn't have 5.1 i think that would work a bit better for them...

and if some doesn't have 5.1 it's likely they don't even know what dts is ????

really so many people are like dts ??? uh ???

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Well my ears doesnt agree with some of you....

The output to my speakers L + R at my computer in powerdvd sounds way better in 5.1 than in 2.0 but it could be that powerdvd has several sound options and plug-ins.

I have to test if the same will happened if I use my tv.

I always play my dvds in 5.1 even if a 2.0 is available.

I only have stereo(L+R) on my tv so it will be interesting to see what sounds better.

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I only have stereo(L+R) on my tv so it will be interesting to see what sounds better.

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Yep, should be the same. The DD2.0 typically sounds louder for some reason, and usually I have to up the volume really high on some movie's 5.1 mix. But other than that, the same AC3 compression is used for both the 2.0 and the 5.1. If you pre-blender a burrito, cup of milk, peas and chicken, OR if you eat it all separately, it will all... You know where I'm going But I the pre-mix would be less work on your system

One thought left. If you have a 2.0 mix, it is typically 192kbit/sec. The 5.1 mix is 448kbit/sec. Each channel has a dedicated amount of bits for each 5 tracks (sub is on LFE). So technically, the sound for left and right in action/heavy sound scenes may be higher (meaning that an certain sound may get an entire channel, which may be clearer). The 448kbit/sec gets split between 2 speakers. But if it's coming out your TV speakers, then you probably don't care about sound to begin with

Ah well, this topic probably shouldn't be here. We should end it soon before someone ends it for us...

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